swo
07-13 11:46 AM
My friend bought a house at the Elginton and Avenue in Toronto for $350K in 1998. The house is now worth $950K.
My sister bought a house in Markham in 2005 for $265K and it is now worth $325K. That's almost 20% in 3 years.
This must be the stagnant Canadian real estate market you are talking about.
The recent growth in the US real estate market is the highest escalation in US history. It is well recognized as a function of the earlier tech bubble and loan availability. Some people are also now expecting severe consequences econonically because of it. Housing is almost certainly likely to return to normal growth patterns moving forward.
By the way, todays headling on the money.cnn.com homepage is "Housing slump gets longer, and longer ..."
I'm done debating with someone that comes up with "symbolic examples", is unable to present a single coherent argument, unable to cite statistics, unable to even say they've lived in Canada.
Good Bless America. And Canada. And Australia. And India while we're at it!
That was a symbolic example. I meant to say that in Canada Housing is just meant housing not the investment. Here in capitalist market housing is never been a housing alone , prime motto to have housing is investment. If we might be debating this 3 years back on this forum ( In booming Real Estate market, yep, US GC Process was sucker then too :) ) you would not have anything against US real estate market to argue about. And that's the point. Housing market here too has cycles and if you wait out patiently you would have appreciation in a scale that normal Canadian may have to dream about.
And that is the point. If lending industry seems to be loosely controlled to you in the USA then yes there are ways to deal with it. You have to learn them. In Canada, in your terms, so called "Good loans" has kept Canadian economy "Welfare economy" only. To progress dynamically any country should have economy to be able to have kicks in, and USA market has that capacity. Today you are ranting about bad housing in USA... agreed, but seeing your signature, it seems that you never want to leave USA and with your claim "to love USA", I believe you will still be around here for years debating with me.. (wait, let me go grab a cup of cofee.:) .. I also need "Dynamic Kick" to debate with you) , I will be able to show you how much appreciation average american can have on average home. Did not you hear NPR yesterday? Housing market is coming back. Now housing is always the prime factor in any economy and so I choose that example. More or less it is true for every industry except oil in Canada. And mind that this forum is not to prove where the housing is better and so I do not want to go into minute statistical detail but most people in Canada and USA except yourself would agree with me.
My sister bought a house in Markham in 2005 for $265K and it is now worth $325K. That's almost 20% in 3 years.
This must be the stagnant Canadian real estate market you are talking about.
The recent growth in the US real estate market is the highest escalation in US history. It is well recognized as a function of the earlier tech bubble and loan availability. Some people are also now expecting severe consequences econonically because of it. Housing is almost certainly likely to return to normal growth patterns moving forward.
By the way, todays headling on the money.cnn.com homepage is "Housing slump gets longer, and longer ..."
I'm done debating with someone that comes up with "symbolic examples", is unable to present a single coherent argument, unable to cite statistics, unable to even say they've lived in Canada.
Good Bless America. And Canada. And Australia. And India while we're at it!
That was a symbolic example. I meant to say that in Canada Housing is just meant housing not the investment. Here in capitalist market housing is never been a housing alone , prime motto to have housing is investment. If we might be debating this 3 years back on this forum ( In booming Real Estate market, yep, US GC Process was sucker then too :) ) you would not have anything against US real estate market to argue about. And that's the point. Housing market here too has cycles and if you wait out patiently you would have appreciation in a scale that normal Canadian may have to dream about.
And that is the point. If lending industry seems to be loosely controlled to you in the USA then yes there are ways to deal with it. You have to learn them. In Canada, in your terms, so called "Good loans" has kept Canadian economy "Welfare economy" only. To progress dynamically any country should have economy to be able to have kicks in, and USA market has that capacity. Today you are ranting about bad housing in USA... agreed, but seeing your signature, it seems that you never want to leave USA and with your claim "to love USA", I believe you will still be around here for years debating with me.. (wait, let me go grab a cup of cofee.:) .. I also need "Dynamic Kick" to debate with you) , I will be able to show you how much appreciation average american can have on average home. Did not you hear NPR yesterday? Housing market is coming back. Now housing is always the prime factor in any economy and so I choose that example. More or less it is true for every industry except oil in Canada. And mind that this forum is not to prove where the housing is better and so I do not want to go into minute statistical detail but most people in Canada and USA except yourself would agree with me.
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krishmunn
07-27 06:11 PM
Oh yeahhh..."1099-int" was a rhetorical statement as you mentioned it.
Don't worry I have already done my homework with law offices or CIS, as I had to show all incomes during interviews. Keep on squeaking.
One somewhat unrelated question --- Why did you have to attend an interview with CIS (and show your income) ?
AFAIK CIS interviews only during adjudication of 485 (for some cases) .. never heard of CIS interviewing for extension of H1 or other matters. If they are interviewing EB 3 2006 cases it is a good sign
Don't worry I have already done my homework with law offices or CIS, as I had to show all incomes during interviews. Keep on squeaking.
One somewhat unrelated question --- Why did you have to attend an interview with CIS (and show your income) ?
AFAIK CIS interviews only during adjudication of 485 (for some cases) .. never heard of CIS interviewing for extension of H1 or other matters. If they are interviewing EB 3 2006 cases it is a good sign
mbawa2574
02-15 04:25 PM
Human nature is what tends to create the monopoly. That's the reason for having laws, we know favorism will always exist but a law would prevent it from going over the limit. The way you want it we'll have whites-only-business, asians-only-business and so on..
When you are tired of this discussion you should ask to stop the ones who started it saying their people are better and brighter than others and hence deserve larger immigration volume, before you ask to stop the people who answer them.
America is about freedom and liberty and is a law abiding country. Country caps is discrimination with people of two countries which have almost half of the population in the world. I am not saying increase visas for India or China. I am only saying increase the total number of visas and then make the system FIFO so that every skilled person in this world have same access to immigration.
When you are tired of this discussion you should ask to stop the ones who started it saying their people are better and brighter than others and hence deserve larger immigration volume, before you ask to stop the people who answer them.
America is about freedom and liberty and is a law abiding country. Country caps is discrimination with people of two countries which have almost half of the population in the world. I am not saying increase visas for India or China. I am only saying increase the total number of visas and then make the system FIFO so that every skilled person in this world have same access to immigration.
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HumJumboHathuJumbo
09-23 04:00 PM
are you sure that 5882 is dead ??? in that case, I agree lets do this on a major scale ...we don't have to say accurately how many people have not bought the house ...lets say 80% of legal high paying immigrants are not buying because they don't have a GC ..(I did not read the prev threads in detail ..but I guess we need to include everyone ..and not just those who have not yet taken the plunge ..as that is more realistic) ....
this is not realistic! how will uscis validate your home buying?. do we submit house deeds with I-485 or send the deed later?.
this is not realistic! how will uscis validate your home buying?. do we submit house deeds with I-485 or send the deed later?.
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08-14 02:31 PM
Hi,
After i received my EAD i changed my employer. Now i am thinking about representing myself instead of my previous attorney. Could you please suggest the forms/procedures to do the same?
Romy
After i received my EAD i changed my employer. Now i am thinking about representing myself instead of my previous attorney. Could you please suggest the forms/procedures to do the same?
Romy
reedandbamboo
09-17 11:48 AM
I am one of those who filed on March 28, 2005 under the older labor cert process and then converted and was approved under PERM later that year.
I know that many applied on March 05 just the week before Perm was going to start through the normal process and not RIR. I remember there was a way that they could abandon that application and apply thorugh the PERM process but keep their date. I know a friend of mine who did it. All these numbers suggested above makes sense only after we pass March 05.
I know that many applied on March 05 just the week before Perm was going to start through the normal process and not RIR. I remember there was a way that they could abandon that application and apply thorugh the PERM process but keep their date. I know a friend of mine who did it. All these numbers suggested above makes sense only after we pass March 05.
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ksvreg
10-15 03:24 PM
If spillover works, logic is simple. Pending applications ~290K. Quot available ~140k
So, in just two years, every category should be current. Lets not scratch our heads.
Please work out the data versus pending/quota/spillover. Do VISA DATES ENGINEERING. And figure out the visa dates process/workflow and put in front of DOS/USCIS to adopt. Or lobby to adopt. or rally to adopt.
Otherwise our math will always be different from DOS/USCIS math on visa dates ;)
So, in just two years, every category should be current. Lets not scratch our heads.
Please work out the data versus pending/quota/spillover. Do VISA DATES ENGINEERING. And figure out the visa dates process/workflow and put in front of DOS/USCIS to adopt. Or lobby to adopt. or rally to adopt.
Otherwise our math will always be different from DOS/USCIS math on visa dates ;)
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gc_on_demand
06-15 01:29 PM
I believe in luck in the GC process. Before 2005 PERM process, many folks applied in states where Labor was fast. They were able to get greencards within a couple of years while others were stuck in Labor Backlog centers (http://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=67&Itemid=50). Some cleared all hurdles and got stuck in namechecks for years. Until 2007 Namecheck was a big scare. (http://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=81&Itemid=61)
Many people could not file in July 07 for various reasons. Some people were born in India but were brought up in other country. Even they are stuck. Some people decided to rise in their careers and changed jobs on H1. While they did rise, but lost in the grreencard PD race.
So definitely luck pays its role.
me and some other people may be lucky individually to get PERM and I 140 get clear just before economy collapsed in early 2008. But now we are facing MASS UNLUCK OF INDIA.
Just kidding..
Many people could not file in July 07 for various reasons. Some people were born in India but were brought up in other country. Even they are stuck. Some people decided to rise in their careers and changed jobs on H1. While they did rise, but lost in the grreencard PD race.
So definitely luck pays its role.
me and some other people may be lucky individually to get PERM and I 140 get clear just before economy collapsed in early 2008. But now we are facing MASS UNLUCK OF INDIA.
Just kidding..
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oguinan
02-15 09:14 PM
Nope. Article 1 Paragraph 3 just states that the convention does not apply in those cases. The definition of racial discrimination stands. You should read through the US response to the last review under the CERD (in 2003) and check the responses on immigration policy.
Do you have a specific link? There are a number of immigration related documents in the 2003 session, mostly related to the southern border.
I'm not a lawyer - but I do know that the spirit Article 1 Paragraph 2 of the document says that immigration and naturalization laws are somehow "not the same" as other laws when testing for racial discrimination. The spirit of the document is clear - otherwise why provide the second paragraph at all? I think that the case of Bhagat Singh Thind which I cited earlier clearly did show racial discrimination by any reasonable test.
I noticed that you changed my quoted text in the previous post. I'm not sure how that fits in with the traditions and practice of the forums here - but I'd appreciate you mentioning it in the text of your post.
Do you have a specific link? There are a number of immigration related documents in the 2003 session, mostly related to the southern border.
I'm not a lawyer - but I do know that the spirit Article 1 Paragraph 2 of the document says that immigration and naturalization laws are somehow "not the same" as other laws when testing for racial discrimination. The spirit of the document is clear - otherwise why provide the second paragraph at all? I think that the case of Bhagat Singh Thind which I cited earlier clearly did show racial discrimination by any reasonable test.
I noticed that you changed my quoted text in the previous post. I'm not sure how that fits in with the traditions and practice of the forums here - but I'd appreciate you mentioning it in the text of your post.
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the_googly
07-29 09:33 AM
I expect 1/2 of the approvals to be EB2-I and the rest EB2-C.
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01-15 02:56 PM
This rule will be disaster for my life, it is leaving me no option other than to go home if H1B not get extended. I have been here in US for last 7 years and own a house, I do have Kids US citizens. I am getting my H1b extenstion year by year since my labour is approved and I-140 is pending.
It looks like I should stop making mortgage payments immediately and be prepare to go back this year.
It looks like I should stop making mortgage payments immediately and be prepare to go back this year.
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JA1HIND
02-15 08:12 AM
........I strongly beleive that the H1B system and the EB greencard system has been setup to legally bring in high skilled workers as slaves and exploit them by taking away their freedom. We are no better than illegals, in the way we are treated by the goverment and the employers.
I will fight this case atleast to try to prove my point before I leave this place.
I am looking for some civil rights agency which can help me with the lawsuit. My fight is not for the GC, but it is for justice.
Very well said & I just feel the same...I have already lost hope on this GC and can not predict how long its going to take but for sure before I leave this place and go back to home country I will contribute my best of share in this fight for justice and full support...count me in with out any doubt!!
I will fight this case atleast to try to prove my point before I leave this place.
I am looking for some civil rights agency which can help me with the lawsuit. My fight is not for the GC, but it is for justice.
Very well said & I just feel the same...I have already lost hope on this GC and can not predict how long its going to take but for sure before I leave this place and go back to home country I will contribute my best of share in this fight for justice and full support...count me in with out any doubt!!
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_TrueFacts
09-04 07:54 PM
Admins - can some one please close this thread. This is thread is neither about immigration nor will anything good come out of this.
yetanotherguyinline,
You may not care, but many members do care about what's happening in India.
yetanotherguyinline,
You may not care, but many members do care about what's happening in India.
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whatamidoinghere
02-19 03:01 AM
Well discussion here. Under present situation (w/o any legislative relief) labor certification based EB folks, particulary Indians, cannot think of GC/485 for next 10 years. The problem here is, they are stopping the flood gate in 485 stage. If they (CIS/DOS) do not need high skilled immigrants, stop them in LC stage itself. Testing labor market in 2001, for a permanent job that is going to be assumed by a foreign worker only in (after 485 approval) 2010 is a joke. The best slution is market based numarical limitation without any country quota.
Yeah its a joke and it is obvious to us that there should be legislation to fix this. However the current situation is so beneficial to the US that it may be stupid for them to try and fix it. The lack of immigrant visas isn't bringing anything down. Fresh H1B and L1 workers will continue to pour into the country and "old, stale, spent, burnt out, balding" workers will leave the country frustrated with the wait. The scientists and executives whose experience is useful to have will get into EB1 slots and stay.
So two choices
1. Lets continue to pay income tax, pay social security tax, spend the prime of our lives working here and then GET OUT when we are no longer needed.. OR..
2. Lobby hard, for which we should contribute some serious money to IV. Whats holding back the EB3 folks?? the doors are almost closed for them. They should be contributing in large numbers..
EB2 Ind & Chi.. if dates dont move for April (new calendar quarter), we better start contributing too
Yeah its a joke and it is obvious to us that there should be legislation to fix this. However the current situation is so beneficial to the US that it may be stupid for them to try and fix it. The lack of immigrant visas isn't bringing anything down. Fresh H1B and L1 workers will continue to pour into the country and "old, stale, spent, burnt out, balding" workers will leave the country frustrated with the wait. The scientists and executives whose experience is useful to have will get into EB1 slots and stay.
So two choices
1. Lets continue to pay income tax, pay social security tax, spend the prime of our lives working here and then GET OUT when we are no longer needed.. OR..
2. Lobby hard, for which we should contribute some serious money to IV. Whats holding back the EB3 folks?? the doors are almost closed for them. They should be contributing in large numbers..
EB2 Ind & Chi.. if dates dont move for April (new calendar quarter), we better start contributing too
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nozerd
03-19 05:36 PM
You would be taking a big chance if you are out for more than 3 out of the 5 yrs. They will still allow you to enter but ask you to go for immigration hearing and then its up to the judge.
Instead why dont you do this
1) Start building Canadian resume, get a canadian number and address and start sending resumes.
2) If there is interview go attend the interview
or
3) Take your annual vacation gothere for 3 weeks-1 month and see if you can make inroads.
Instead why dont you do this
1) Start building Canadian resume, get a canadian number and address and start sending resumes.
2) If there is interview go attend the interview
or
3) Take your annual vacation gothere for 3 weeks-1 month and see if you can make inroads.
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vdlrao
07-25 07:55 PM
See we came to know from our calculations there are about 10 times increase in EB2 India visas. So that means we are getting visas of 10 years in a single year!!!!!. But theres not much change in the demand of EB2. The demand is amost same as of the previous years. But the supply has increased to 10 times. So in two years, 2008 and 2009, we are getting of 20 years visas. So assuming there were no spill overs, and 20 years from now means in 2028 , wouldn't it be possible to clear off all the EB2s (with out spill overs) with the PDs on or before 2008. So does it make any sense of EB2 getting close to current very soon with the spill overs.
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nik.patelc
09-03 03:07 PM
Most of the Indian politicians are Illiterate. This guy is a medical doctor by profession.
Loved by poor people. Hated by the fundamentalists. Most of the AP politicians are corrupt including former PM P.V. N RAO.
I AM NOT FROM AP. ALL I KNOW FROM READING ONLINE FROM LAST 2 DAYS.
SEE THE LINK 14 PEOPLE DIE OF SHOCK.
14 die of YSR shock in Andhra - India - NEWS - The Times of India (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/14-die-of-YSR-shock-in-Andhra/articleshow/4969157.cms)
USA, UK CONDOLE YSR DEATH.
US, France, UK condole Reddy's death - India - NEWS - The Times of India (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/US-France-UK-condole-Reddys-death/articleshow/4969149.cms)
After reading for 2 days, you feel soory for this guys. Well, If he is popular and good CM, it should be evident that many life are touched and improved by his actions. YSR loved by Poor , those poors are still poors ... Who said Medical degree holder are all ethicial and non corrupted. I know many docotrs in india are cheaters and cares about money than patients. So dont buy that his having medical degree makes me good admirable politician.
Loved by poor people. Hated by the fundamentalists. Most of the AP politicians are corrupt including former PM P.V. N RAO.
I AM NOT FROM AP. ALL I KNOW FROM READING ONLINE FROM LAST 2 DAYS.
SEE THE LINK 14 PEOPLE DIE OF SHOCK.
14 die of YSR shock in Andhra - India - NEWS - The Times of India (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/14-die-of-YSR-shock-in-Andhra/articleshow/4969157.cms)
USA, UK CONDOLE YSR DEATH.
US, France, UK condole Reddy's death - India - NEWS - The Times of India (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/US-France-UK-condole-Reddys-death/articleshow/4969149.cms)
After reading for 2 days, you feel soory for this guys. Well, If he is popular and good CM, it should be evident that many life are touched and improved by his actions. YSR loved by Poor , those poors are still poors ... Who said Medical degree holder are all ethicial and non corrupted. I know many docotrs in india are cheaters and cares about money than patients. So dont buy that his having medical degree makes me good admirable politician.
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07-04 09:11 AM
Originally Posted by Macaca ( add ons from forum in red)
I am trying an outline for sending to media + lawmakers + ...
The following is a very rough draft without reading some of the letters posted in the thread. I will read the posts tomorrow and polish it by tomorrow evening. I will need everyone's input since I don't know all the issues.
Introduction
Retrogression in GC process.
What happened
� USCIS announced at the time the forms were due.
� Applicants started filling forms 2-3 weeks before July 2.
� Applicants changed their schedules to submit forms.
Advantages of EAD + AP
Don't know all!
� Travel without visa -> saves Embassy overhead.
� Spouse can work.
� Can switch job.
Why does it hurt
� Medical will not be valid after 1 year.
� Rejected June filers can not file.
� June filers did not file because they thought they will file in July.
� Fees more then doubling
� Name checking (which can take 1+ year) done in parallel with waiting for GC #.
� Load balancing for USCIS.
� USCIS which is supported 90% by application fee needs to care for applicants.
� Very little chance of legislative relief for a looong time.
� Many had to take MMR vaccine and hence postpone their plans to have kids by 3-6 months as recommended by NIH.
� Lawyers who charged upwards of $2000 for filing will not refund the service fee, so candidates have to pay again when dates become current in future.
The biggest loss is the trust, coz, next time people will not believe these mid month bulletins at all as they can come around anytime and revise the dates. So, applicants will always have to live in fear untill they receive the receipt
Age out situations with children
Once a child turns 21 he/she can no longer be filed with the primary applicant. However, once the I485 is filed with USCIS the child is regarded as "safe" regardless of how long the USCIS takes to adjudicate the I485.
I have that very situation. My son turn 21 in mid-January 2008. The original July brought great relief from years of worrying about whether our PD would become "current" in time. We scrambled to get ready to file 2nd July, only to have everything collapse around us again
Hope the info clarifies the "age out" situation!
For "Spouse can work" we might want to word it such that it just does not look like one job less for Americans. Something like spouse can exercise the freedom to get out of the house and contribute to the American economy.
I am trying an outline for sending to media + lawmakers + ...
The following is a very rough draft without reading some of the letters posted in the thread. I will read the posts tomorrow and polish it by tomorrow evening. I will need everyone's input since I don't know all the issues.
Introduction
Retrogression in GC process.
What happened
� USCIS announced at the time the forms were due.
� Applicants started filling forms 2-3 weeks before July 2.
� Applicants changed their schedules to submit forms.
Advantages of EAD + AP
Don't know all!
� Travel without visa -> saves Embassy overhead.
� Spouse can work.
� Can switch job.
Why does it hurt
� Medical will not be valid after 1 year.
� Rejected June filers can not file.
� June filers did not file because they thought they will file in July.
� Fees more then doubling
� Name checking (which can take 1+ year) done in parallel with waiting for GC #.
� Load balancing for USCIS.
� USCIS which is supported 90% by application fee needs to care for applicants.
� Very little chance of legislative relief for a looong time.
� Many had to take MMR vaccine and hence postpone their plans to have kids by 3-6 months as recommended by NIH.
� Lawyers who charged upwards of $2000 for filing will not refund the service fee, so candidates have to pay again when dates become current in future.
The biggest loss is the trust, coz, next time people will not believe these mid month bulletins at all as they can come around anytime and revise the dates. So, applicants will always have to live in fear untill they receive the receipt
Age out situations with children
Once a child turns 21 he/she can no longer be filed with the primary applicant. However, once the I485 is filed with USCIS the child is regarded as "safe" regardless of how long the USCIS takes to adjudicate the I485.
I have that very situation. My son turn 21 in mid-January 2008. The original July brought great relief from years of worrying about whether our PD would become "current" in time. We scrambled to get ready to file 2nd July, only to have everything collapse around us again
Hope the info clarifies the "age out" situation!
For "Spouse can work" we might want to word it such that it just does not look like one job less for Americans. Something like spouse can exercise the freedom to get out of the house and contribute to the American economy.
dan19
02-12 06:58 PM
After reading through the forums, I understand the EB3-World needs to become current for any others to move forward.
But now I notice that EB3-World itself has stopped moving after jumping for some months. Any reasons? (The 245i is already cleared and now it is in Aug 02)
Is there any other 245is preventing it????
But now I notice that EB3-World itself has stopped moving after jumping for some months. Any reasons? (The 245i is already cleared and now it is in Aug 02)
Is there any other 245is preventing it????
greyhair
01-13 09:21 PM
actaccord: I also want to see civilized discussion. But that is not possible with people like PlainSpeak/GCPerm. I know this person. He has always tried to create Eb2/Eb3 divide. The problem is not with language of some of the posts you referred as "uncivilized", the problem is that for every post there are hundreds of people silently reading each posts. Each post influences those silent readers. If unanswered snakes like GCPerm can cause a lot of damage.
In an open anonymous forum you need to develop a thick skin. Person of every strip and belief can post anything. If you cannot handle this, it is better for you to resign from accessing any or all websites.For a period of time, I felt the same way as you did but it does not work that way. Stop this nonsense of political correctness when snakes like GCPerm spit venom to divide everyone.
A forum is a combination of all sorts of ideas and expression. You may like some and you may not like some. If you or your friends find it so difficult to stand this expression, then please sit quietly in your home because you cannot join hands with anyone in this real and rough world. How long are we going to " try to gain confidence" of more members? How long? I do not want to gain confidence of anyone anymore. If I was to make a decision, I would say that I don't need those members who cannot stand a little bit of rough reality. I am not going to do anything to "gain confidence" of others. If you want to work then good for you. If you don't want to work on the issue affecting your family, then so be it. You are doing a favor to no one but yourself when you speak with your Congressman. So Good luck and Good bye. But don't preach civility to everyone if you cannot first respond to PlainSpeak. I hate this Eb2/Eb3 fight.
at least one person could respond in more civilized and matured way. These kind of response will give good impression about a forum.
Guys please keep your comments in more civilized way to keep/gain good public image of the forum.
I do read most of the threads in this forum (whenever I feel free) i feel some of members who are donors/senior members feel they can get to fight (in abusive way) with any one on any thread no matter whether it spoils the image of forum or their response adds no value to the thread. These kind of attitude can be expected from new members as they may have wrong intentions (or to just vent their frustrations) to join in a forum. But people who are very senior and donors responding in uncivilized manner is not good for them as well as the forum.
I don't see anything wrong PlainSpeak's suggestion but I can't comment on if her suggestion is workable or not. But we can just explain what is right or wrong instead of getting into fight mode.
I would like to see some kind of administration control (removing the response, warning the members) on those threads with abusive/uncivilized response. I know it is tedious job but once we have senior/donors under civilized conversation controlling new members will be of easier as seniors/donors can report those unwanted conversations.
It would be great place to share ideas (good, bad, right, wrong) if those uncivilized response is reduced. The lesser the uncivilized response more the people willing to join hands.
I wanted to join hands but those uncivilized comments keeping me away from participating. I do have friends who joined after me referring felt the same, some even stopped visiting this forum after seeing uncivilized fightings.
There are great people like amitjoey who convey the message in more civilized way (as far as I have seen) and help others (its not easy to post 1100+ posts....). I am new to this country and have very less experience and knowledge to share. But I hope one day I can guide/help some people like amitjoey.
Reason for me to share my thought is amitjoey, otherwise I would have just gone through the thread and felt bad about this forum for uncivilized comments. I am not into any group yet (Eb2/3) as my comp is not going to sponsor gc as per new policy, so I don't belong to any group (or we can say group who's gc never filed). When I read PlainSpeak's comment I thought she was right and after reading amitjoey's comment I learned another view for this issue. After reading those two comments I understand the issue and why IV took different direction or direction different from PlainSpeak's. But when I continued reading this thread I felt why some educated people with good intentions have bad thoughts and respond to others in uncivilized way. In the whole thread only two comments make's sense to me rest doesn't belong/fit to this forum.
Lets get more new members and be civilized to gain confident which will gain more strength to the forum.
In an open anonymous forum you need to develop a thick skin. Person of every strip and belief can post anything. If you cannot handle this, it is better for you to resign from accessing any or all websites.For a period of time, I felt the same way as you did but it does not work that way. Stop this nonsense of political correctness when snakes like GCPerm spit venom to divide everyone.
A forum is a combination of all sorts of ideas and expression. You may like some and you may not like some. If you or your friends find it so difficult to stand this expression, then please sit quietly in your home because you cannot join hands with anyone in this real and rough world. How long are we going to " try to gain confidence" of more members? How long? I do not want to gain confidence of anyone anymore. If I was to make a decision, I would say that I don't need those members who cannot stand a little bit of rough reality. I am not going to do anything to "gain confidence" of others. If you want to work then good for you. If you don't want to work on the issue affecting your family, then so be it. You are doing a favor to no one but yourself when you speak with your Congressman. So Good luck and Good bye. But don't preach civility to everyone if you cannot first respond to PlainSpeak. I hate this Eb2/Eb3 fight.
at least one person could respond in more civilized and matured way. These kind of response will give good impression about a forum.
Guys please keep your comments in more civilized way to keep/gain good public image of the forum.
I do read most of the threads in this forum (whenever I feel free) i feel some of members who are donors/senior members feel they can get to fight (in abusive way) with any one on any thread no matter whether it spoils the image of forum or their response adds no value to the thread. These kind of attitude can be expected from new members as they may have wrong intentions (or to just vent their frustrations) to join in a forum. But people who are very senior and donors responding in uncivilized manner is not good for them as well as the forum.
I don't see anything wrong PlainSpeak's suggestion but I can't comment on if her suggestion is workable or not. But we can just explain what is right or wrong instead of getting into fight mode.
I would like to see some kind of administration control (removing the response, warning the members) on those threads with abusive/uncivilized response. I know it is tedious job but once we have senior/donors under civilized conversation controlling new members will be of easier as seniors/donors can report those unwanted conversations.
It would be great place to share ideas (good, bad, right, wrong) if those uncivilized response is reduced. The lesser the uncivilized response more the people willing to join hands.
I wanted to join hands but those uncivilized comments keeping me away from participating. I do have friends who joined after me referring felt the same, some even stopped visiting this forum after seeing uncivilized fightings.
There are great people like amitjoey who convey the message in more civilized way (as far as I have seen) and help others (its not easy to post 1100+ posts....). I am new to this country and have very less experience and knowledge to share. But I hope one day I can guide/help some people like amitjoey.
Reason for me to share my thought is amitjoey, otherwise I would have just gone through the thread and felt bad about this forum for uncivilized comments. I am not into any group yet (Eb2/3) as my comp is not going to sponsor gc as per new policy, so I don't belong to any group (or we can say group who's gc never filed). When I read PlainSpeak's comment I thought she was right and after reading amitjoey's comment I learned another view for this issue. After reading those two comments I understand the issue and why IV took different direction or direction different from PlainSpeak's. But when I continued reading this thread I felt why some educated people with good intentions have bad thoughts and respond to others in uncivilized way. In the whole thread only two comments make's sense to me rest doesn't belong/fit to this forum.
Lets get more new members and be civilized to gain confident which will gain more strength to the forum.